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07-31-2021, 01:55 PM
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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

For me to make it simple

SUNNxt is not the same as TV captured clarity

You can spot the grains compared to True HD for the below videos


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Amazon Non upscaled videos can be in HD section
Other sites too where its true HD

For eg Sura, Baasha was posted in HD which s upscaled sure

So HD TV captured only should be allowed in HD section
Others like Amazon etc can be allowed in HD if true HD which are not upscaled


And most important is Non masala content like thalaiva vaangana vanakanganaa songs should not be allowed


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07-31-2021, 01:56 PM
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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

Other uploaders please pour in thoughts this is open discussion and the rules are going to be in place


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07-31-2021, 08:47 PM
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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(07-31-2021, 01:56 PM)Originally Posted by thedarkaxe Other uploaders please pour in thoughts this is open discussion and the rules are going to be in place

Even when posted in non-HD section, Sunnxt videos should not exceed 200mb for a 5min duration. 5min of original 720p (5766kbps bitrate) video rip from Sunnxt ll be between 140mb-180mb. Some lengthy songs might take upto 190-200mb. Scenes compilation ll have the size range correspondingly.

Please add this file size criteria also to the new rule.


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08-02-2021, 08:21 PM
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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(07-30-2021, 08:16 PM)Originally Posted by suresh006
(07-30-2021, 02:41 PM)Originally Posted by thedarkaxe @suresh006 bro please reply to the above 2 points is that enough to keep in HD section

Why we need to have sunnxt amazon in hD?

The main reason people upscale videos is to post in HD section (which earns them money and bandwidth). If you don't allow Sunnxt videos in HD section, it'll be a demotivating factor for them. Also, though Sunnxt HDTV videos are 720p, the quality is never less than 'capture card recorded 1080p videos'.

Sunnxt non-HDTV videos (max. 480p) need not be allowed in HD section. So, to summarise:

1. HDTV capture card videos

2. BD Rips 

3. Sunnxt HDTV videos (720p) should be allowed in HD

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HD section should just contain HD videos (i.e. those meeting the 3 criteria) only. Sunnxt should not be in HD if they're available only in 720p resolution. It will not be a demotivating factor. In original MD too, we did not allow such videos in HD. Old HD section uploaders like Shashi/anniyan, OJ, etc. too complied with it and they used to post such 720p videos with good quality in SD only.

If we make an exception to this, I'm sure we'll end up confusing ourselves all over again and HD section will end up in mess again.


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08-03-2021, 02:38 PM
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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(07-31-2021, 01:56 PM)Originally Posted by thedarkaxe Other uploaders please pour in thoughts this is open discussion and the rules are going to be in place

Looks like you guys have already laid out the pain points from mods perspective. Want to add just few points here as an uploader.

Regarding SD vs HD discourse,

Folks will always want to post in HD since there is no incentive to post in SD. There is no SD hero. No awards for consistently posting rare DVDRips or TvRips. Definitely feel like that is one of the biggest reasons. Just some ways to motivate so folks don't view SD as degrading. 

One more victim of this is other regional section. Malayalam, Marathi and Bengali (Kannada used to be but it now has some great HD content) sections are severely lacking because they don't have high ratio of HD channels.

No one is gonna post from Jaya Movie, Raj Movie, Raj Digital Plus, Kalaignar TV, Mega TV, etc for this reason but they often hold rights to the best movies or under the radar/ less popular movies which often have better/hotter/rarer scenes. Old MD used to have high quality shares from such channels. 

Adding more rules to HD section is gonna end up in more conflicts. Feel like the long term solution is changing how folks view SD vs HD.


Regarding the criteria,

1. AMZN, JIO usually have top notch bollywood HD vids but regional movies range can be tricky. I have a Rajadhi Raja (1989) Tamil movie rip that is 9GB but looks like CDRip. They cannot be taken at face value just like SunNXT but AMZN, JIO, Netflix often have better quality ones. There are definitely tiers among streaming sources. 

AMZN, JC , NFLX >> MXPlayer, ZEE, HotStar

2. Size should definitely be a factor but mods also have to consider that AMZN full movie rips touch 14-15 GB for few movies but those are usually great quality ones. But 4K vids exceeding 1.5GB is definitely not possible unless upscaled.

3. Just have a separate section for 4K. Sometimes members actually believe they are better than BD25, BD50s. Out of the 1000 movies that get released, may be 30-50 are shot in 4K. Though Radhe movie had an official 4K release, the official rip looks like upscaled. On other hand, few studios/distributors like APInternational, Ultra, Bhavani, restore old 4K movies, songs with terrific quality. While those were not shot in 4K but restored, I would take them over the Radhe 4K release which is from 2021.

One last point.

Kindly give the members, downloaders some way to vote a SD topic to HD. Eg. If you get like 10 votes or if 10 folks vote an option like "Recommend to HD" as an option similar to "Wrong/Prefix Thumbnail", that would be great. This way, uploaders will not blame mods when they think the users actually agree that it's HD but mods don't.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

Also not sure if uploaders @lit or @myle were banned. They seem to have some great potential in them but not able to rep them.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

@flowerkingk15 great explanation


Conclusion what is to be kept as HD is what we are talking about!

What about the real captured HD videos vs SUNNXt stream ? I feel only Captured card should be HD
Captured card videos have very less grains compared to Sunnxt you can check for yourselves also Old MD also followed the same criteria

Jaya HD looks real clarity so we can include even other HD channels like ZEE etc

What about Jiocinemas videos - I felt it should be SD
What about other streaming videos

I felt even many Amazon videos were of superior quality but i think MODS should be given rights to judge

I see lot of SD youtube videos in HD section even which is of average quality


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(08-03-2021, 03:27 PM)Originally Posted by thedarkaxe @flowerkingk15 great explanation


Conclusion what is to be kept as HD is what we are talking about!

What about the real captured HD videos vs SUNNXt stream ? I feel only Captured card should be HD
Captured card videos have very less grains compared to Sunnxt you can check for yourselves also Old MD also followed the same criteria

Jaya HD looks real clarity so we can include even other HD channels like ZEE etc

What about Jiocinemas videos - I felt it should be SD
What about other streaming videos

I felt even many Amazon videos were of superior quality but i think MODS should be given rights to judge

I see lot of SD youtube videos in HD section even which is of average quality


Sorry for straying away from the topic. Just wanted to point out the root cause of why folks try as much to post in HD.

I don't have an opinion on SunNXT. I agree with your point though. It can depend on the software being used. Old MD definitely used to have good SunNXT rips. I guess they should be by default SD and if given downloaders an option to reclassify or if mods consider it HD, they can update it.

Zee channels are definitely HD though they are a tier below Sun network channels. I was talking about ZEE5 streaming. I would definitely suggest using more caution with Zee HD channels than Sun network ones. JayaHD often depends on the movie source material. They range from terrific to terrible.

Many a times, Jio and AMZN have rights to same bollywood movies and when I have compared both prints, 9 out of ten times, they are of same quality. Both Jio and AMZN has 576P movies (especially regional languages) that users can upscale to 1080p making it lose a bit of quality. That's where the original 1080p and upscaled 1080p can cause a gray area where you start to lose sense on whether it was upscaled.

With both Jio and AMZN (Netflix to), Mods should classify them as SD only if deemed not good. In cases of Zee5, Hotstar, Disney Plus, MXPlayer it should be SD by default. Their 1080p is usually not HD barring few movies in which cases mods can reclassify them to HD.  It is between both these tier imo. Not too great but not too bad.

Youtube videos have not place in HD unless its official 4K from these studios (APInternational, Ultra, TipsOfficial). Exceptions like new movies have their producers release in their own channels.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

Thanks for your inputs @flowerkingk15.

I'm still not sure how zee5/amazon/jio, etc. etc. has any relevance. If the 3 criteria are met it would be HD. If Amazon/zee5, etc. etc. has so good quality, it would meet the 3 criteria wouldn't it ?


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

My concern is on the SCREEN RECORDED and UPSCALED videos. Even if allowed to post in SD section, are we gonna allow a screen recorded Sunnxt videos to have a file size greater than 200mb for a 5min video? Because, most of the Sunnxt videos floating in the forum now are not rips, but screen recorded and upscaled ones. I proved it many times. All are of size more than 300mb.

So, please add a point on the file size also for SD section. Here's my proposal for HDTV videos.

1. Capture card videos shall be allowed in HD section.
2. Sunnxt 720p videos also can be allowed in HD section (to motivate the uploaders), only if the file size is in the range 130mb-200mb for a 5 min video.
3. Sunnxt 1080p videos should not be allowed in HD section (bcz, Sunnxt app/website never provide 1080p resolution even for HD channels)


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(08-03-2021, 03:07 PM)Originally Posted by flowerkingk15 Also not sure if uploaders @lit or @myle were banned. They seem to have some great potential in them but not able to rep them.

@lit @myle @verve are all same user. Once an account gets banned, he creates a new one. Currently active one is @verve.

I too agree that his contribution is remarkable, but each and every upload of him is screen recorded/upscaled. He's screen recording Sunnxt HD channels with 60FPS and 10000kbps bitrate which inflates the output file. I pinged him many times if needs any help in downloading Sunnxt HDTV videos rather than screen recording, but no response.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(08-03-2021, 06:50 PM)Originally Posted by chicmagnet Thanks for your inputs @flowerkingk15.

I'm still not sure how zee5/amazon/jio, etc. etc. has any relevance. If the 3 criteria are met it would be HD. If Amazon/zee5, etc. etc. has so good quality, it would meet the 3 criteria wouldn't it ?

I definitely agree with using criteria a scale for each post separately instead of going by the video source. I just pointed out that there are tiers between the streaming sites.

Some times ETV SD channel has crisper quality than ZEE Telugu HD. Example (https://masaladesi.club/thread-telugu-hd...ugu-unseen). In my opinion, the post I linked should stay in HD but according to the criteria it will go to SD section. ETV movie quality entirely depends on movie source. So an ETV SD movie might have better quality than a different movie in ETV HD (Eg - https://masaladesi.club/thread-telugu-hd...y-kaur-mp4). I am just worried about such high quality videos captured from SD channels. Hence my suggestion to let members give an option so they can recommend a SD video to HD.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

(08-03-2021, 08:15 PM)Originally Posted by suresh006
(08-03-2021, 03:07 PM)Originally Posted by flowerkingk15 Also not sure if uploaders @lit or @myle were banned. They seem to have some great potential in them but not able to rep them.

@lit @myle @verve are all same user. Once an account gets banned, he creates a new one. Currently active one is @verve.

I too agree that his contribution is remarkable, but each and every upload of him is screen recorded/upscaled. He's screen recording Sunnxt HD channels with 60FPS and 10000kbps bitrate which inflates the output file. I pinged him many times if needs any help in downloading Sunnxt HDTV videos rather than screen recording, but no response.

In that case, please let mods handle it. Let the mods know. Targeting a user with negative reps is what got Cherukkan permanently away from the forum. While your suggestions to Cherukkan were right (Using correct title, high file size), you did not go about it the right away. You took it personal. Better to have something rather than nothing. We finally have some good HDTV uploaders. 4K, BD50 and AMZN movies can be obtained anywhere. MD is built on HDTV content. I would rather have wrongly classified HDTV videos than no videos.

@thedarkaxe @chicmagnet Apologies if I went away from the topic again. While we are discussing the criteria, wanted to suggest to give uploaders some space and time to learn from their mistakes. You might already be doing that but want to point out my concerns as I don't want another cherukkan happen.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

If we are adding SunNXT 720P to HD section, then the gray area goes bigger. Uploaders will start to post 720P videos from other sources and mark it HD citing the SunNXT 720P videos. SunNXT 1080p being SD but SunNXT 720P being HD will be contradicting and confusing.

File size should not be the be all end all. May be for SunNXT videos but not in general. AMZN movies can have high quality for 5GB movie but lower quality for 10GB.


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RE: Important: @Moderatoes Is it possible to change forum rule on HD section criteria?

@chicmagnet I agree with the three criteria but I believe the 3rd criteria is gonna do lot of heavylifting. But that is the reality due to wide range of sources available today. I already added my reasons on why in rare occasions, we should let SD post be recommended for HD (By members preferably).


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